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It’s been a long time coming. When the first Qantas 787-9 touched down in Sydney at the end of its delivery flight from Boeing’s Everett factory on October 20, almost 12 years had passed since the airline first placed its order for the 787 in 2005.
Qantas and Boeing have changed dramatically since the airline first announced its original order for 65 787s in December 2005, which at the time was the largest order placed to date for the aircraft. The 787 program itself suffered from a series of tumultuous development and production delays, while Qantas has ridden the highs and lows of record profits and record losses.
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Stephen Boyce
says:Qantas has a massive Heinz variety of jets and does need to sort out its fleet. I would stick to the boeing options i have said before I would buy 25 boeing 777-8 and 25 boeing 777-9 to replace boeing 747 and a380 and i would buy boeing 7379 max and boeing 797 to replace boeing 737 and a330 and buy Bombardier CRD1000 to replace fokker 100 and boeing 717 and ATR42 to replace Q200 and 300. The Heinz variety is one reason Qantas nearly went bust
Lechuga
says:@Stephen Boyce the 787-10 would be near perfect for A330-300 replacement flying to Asia.
Chris
says:@Stephen Boyce. I agree with you, that Qantas needs to streamline its fleet to an ‘aircraft type to route’ basis, similar to what Air NZ has done, to reduce operating costs and increase fleet efficiency.
Al
says:Did a 14 hour trip in a 787 with Etihad and discovered 787 Economy at 9 abreast is diabolical for seat comfort.
This is regardless of seat pitch, which is poor in most economy classes anyway.
Will never fly longhaul economy in a 787 in 9 abreast again if there is the slightest opportunity to avoid it.
Richard
says:@Al yes I agree. I like Qantas but I can’t sit in a 9 abreast 787 for 14 or more hours. Recently flew an A350 and it was fine with 9 abreast, but the 787 is too narrow – I will be avoiding it.
I also wish Qantas would streamline its fleet. I find it disturbing that an airline with the resources of Qantas puts passengers on ancient Fokker 100s (I know they’re not owned directly by Qantas but that’s irrelevant to the brand). They need to work out what they’re doing with the 717’s and Fokkers for a start. An airline like Qantas should be buying the C-series or E2 jets.
Lechuga
says:@Richard, probably the E2 if they’re likely to be baught by Boeing. Even though I rate CS higher
Kieran
says:Have any of the people suggesting 787’s ever flown long haul (or even ‘medium haul’) in economy?
I have flown from Brisbane to Bangkok on Thai’s 787 and the lack of space in economy is noticeable. Usually I would take an aisle seat but in addition to the seats being narrower the aisles seem narrower too and you constantly get bumped into, therefore on my next flight I took to the window and didn’t drink much water as I usually would as getting in and out from the window seat was difficult too.
I have flown in A330’s in economy too and while it is not perfect the difference is noticeable and when there is a choice I would steer clear of economy in the 787. The 777 is not much better either in 10 across. I believe the A350 is similar to the A330 in terms of space. There is no contest as far as I am concerned if I am in economy I will pay more to avoid the 787 or 10 across 777’s
If you fly lucky enough to Business Class, well that is totally different, but alas most people have to fly economy!
Craigy
says:Reading the fleet planning ideas for Qantas espoused in this forum are hilarious. Would be nice to see the analysis behind the recommendations.
Andy
says:I thoroughly agree with Keiran, I recently got the opportunity to fly from London to Guangzhou on a China Southern 787, and was excited to see what all the fuss was about as I have flown on every other modern airliner. I have to say it was a bad experience, cramped and constantly getting bumped into, and the interior was like something out of the 70s. My next leg was to Brisbane, also with China Southern on their A330 and it was like chalk and cheese, spacious and modern and comfortable. So in future I shall avoid at all cost the 787.
Brendan
says:The ‘Dreamliner’ is the biggest hoax ever.
9 across in economy is a nightmare – never again.
17.2in width is the same as the 737 chigging between Sydney and Melbourne.
If Qantas installed 8 across (like JAL) then they could offer a degree of comfort for a minimal extra $
On a $1500 fare to London, 8 across would cost you $1687.50 ($187.50 more)- and would offer huge weight savings!
Surely a win-win situation?
Great marketing opportunities rather than the admission its all about screwing profit out the SLF (self loding freight)
Charles Flyer
says:I recently flew on American’s 787-9 service from AKL-LAX in business and still had this uncomfortable feeling of being claustrophobic . I agree with the previous passenger’s comments that the 787-9 is not wide enough, my preference would have been in business on a 777 still a great plane over the 787-9. In comparison I flew in economy on Fiji Air in a A330 on the window side and felt their was enough leg room and recline for economy.
James
says:@Craigy
Well said.
@ Richard
Still using the Fokker and 717 is clever business in this day and age.
D bell
says:I recently had an accumulation of issues with a QF trip, letter written to chairman. If Alan Joyce spent the time he put in to trying to drive social change re-engineering into actually running the airline, we might see sound decission making occur. Ansett went bust for a lot of reasons, one of many 25 plus aircraft types was surely not helpful. Qantas stripped itself of “OWN” BADGED destinations and now relises people actually want to fly a plane with s red painted tail, simples.